The holdout juror who refused to acquit Lindsay Clancy says he ‘didn’t have any doubts’ about finding her guilty even as the others tried to sway him to find Clancy not guilty by reason of insanity of strangling her three children.
The juror, whom NewsNation identified as Michael P Desronvil, told the outlet he ‘didn’t have any doubts’ – refuting jury foreperson Roni Carlson’s earlier remarks.
‘As I tried to explain different possible theories during deliberations, I kept getting cut off as I had doubts based on the evidence present,’ he claimed.
But ‘based on all the physical evidence, key witnesses and what the prosecution presents, I thought it was enough proof that she [Clancy] knew exactly what she was doing and planned’ to kill her three children – Cora, five, Dawson, three, and eight-month-old Callan, Desronvil told NewsNation.
He also shared his thoughts about the high-profile case in an interview with Ray Marcel of Fugitive TV, saying he was convinced Clancy ‘knew right from wrong.’
‘He said he knew that she was guilty because of the evidence that he saw,’ Marcel recalled. ‘He felt she was not insane at the time and knew what she was doing.’
Marcel did not show their conversation directly, but he said the holdout juror told him over an hour-long phone call that he felt the need to speak his mind because other jurors slandered him in the media after the trial.
‘He said some of the things they’ve said about him is either not the whole truth, the half-truth, or outright lies,’ Marcel said, including that the juror rejected their assertions he had ‘reasonable doubt’ about Clancy’s guilt.
Ray Marcel, host of Fugitive TV, revealed a conversation with the holdout juror (not pictured) in the Lindsay Clancy trial who told him he held firm in his guilty vote because he was never convinced the mother was legally insane
Clancy’s trial sharply divided opinions across the nation, as the mother admitted to strangling her three children – Cora, five, Dawson, three, and eight-month-old Callan – but pleaded not guilty by reason of insanity
Clancy’s trial sharply divided opinion after she admitted strangling her three children, but pleaded not guilty by reason of insanity.
The jury ended in a controversial 11-1 deadlock. Podcast host Marcel said the holdout juror told him their 40-hours of deliberations were contentious from the outset.
Since the verdict, there has been a wild social media race to identify him publicly.
NBC Boston published details of domestic violence allegations against him, but did not reveal his identity. They stem from a dispute involving his ex-wife.
In his phone call with YouTube host Marcel, the juror explained his decision to convict was based on ‘preparation she [Clancy] did’ before killing her children, including sending her husband Patrick out for errands before attacking the kids.
The holdout juror also said he had been stunned by the vitriol he faced after he voted to convict Clancy, and felt the backlash from his fellow jurors was because he was a ‘black Republican,’ Marcel claimed.
Clancy used exercise bands to fatally strangle her children in 2023
Clancy’s murder trial ended in a mistrial earlier this month, but prosecutors have not yet indicated if they intend to re-try her or offer a plea deal
Following the trial, news outlets published details of the holdout juror’s past brushes with the law, including allegations of domestic violence that he was arrested but never prosecuted for in 2021.
The revelation led to questions over how he was admitted to the case, as potential jurors are required to disclose if they have ever been arrested or charged with a crime in the past.
Marcel said the holdout juror insisted that he never lied to the court, and he ‘checked the box he was supposed to check’ on juror questionnaire forms, but was selected anyway.
He said the holdout juror told him the allegations stemmed from a turbulent ‘fraudulent marriage,’ and their relationship rapidly deteriorated when he discovered she was an illegal immigrant.
‘He didn’t know that, and he told me that’s pretty much when everything hit the fan,’ Marcel said on his YouTube show.
He said the holdout juror told him that his former partner raised domestic violence allegations in retaliation after he filed for divorce.
In 2025, the holdout juror was also alleged to have attacked his nephew by shoving him to the ground and striking him in the face, according to reported restraining order documents.
The juror was also not prosecuted over that incident, and Marcel said the juror told him that he did not want to get into those allegations beyond saying that ‘the truth will come out.’
Jury foreperson Roni Carlson previously told NBC10 that the holdout juror ‘admitted he had reasonable doubt,’ but Marcel reported this was disputed.
‘He felt that she was sane when she did it. And that’s exactly what he told me,’ Marcel recalled in an interview with NewsNation.
He insisted that despite the deliberations ending in deadlock, the jury was not unanimously against the holdout juror from the start and their conversations began with just eight jurors wanting to acquit Clancy.
‘They were doing their best to convince,’ he said, adding that two of the jurors were undecided, and the holdout juror had at least one other person who also believed she was guilty.
Marcel said Desronvil told him the other juror was on his side ‘until the last moment,’ at which point she ‘caved and voted with the rest.’
‘He said he didn’t know if it was due to the pressure (from the other jurors), but he didn’t care,’ Marcel continued.
‘He said he knew that she was guilty because of the evidence that he saw. He felt he was not insane at the time and knew what she was doing.’
Clancy admitted to killing her children, but pleaded not guilty by reason of insanity as she claimed she was suffering postpartum psychosis and was overmedicated
The holdout juror attempted to convince others of Clancy’s guilt by using a water bottle and string to demonstrate how she strangled their ‘little necks’, Marcel revealed
Over 40 hours of deliberations, Marcel said Desronvil told him the conversations grew agitated, and at one point he used a water bottle and a piece of string to demonstrate the force Clancy would have used to strangle her children to death.
‘He tied a string around the water bottle, and did it to set and example and show people, “Imagine the water bottle as their little necks,”‘ he recalled.
Asked what convinced the holdout juror of Clancy’s guilt, Marcel told NewsNation that he was told that he felt ‘she was sane by the preparation she did’ before strangling her children.
Marcel told NewsNation the fact Clancy took her time’ strangling each child, some in separate rooms to the other also helped sway his decision.
‘The preparation showed that she was sane and knew what she was doing, pretty much knew right from wrong, before she did what she did,’ Marcel said.
Marcel explained he decided to share the juror’s perspective amid the huge response and vitriol directed at the holdout juror.
‘No matter if you agree with him or not, his name shouldn’t have been put out there like that,’ the Fugitive TV host said.
‘No juror should be put to the forefront like that, because it’s their civic duty to do that, and they should be protected. He never asked for any of this whatsoever.’
